Fuel economy would be around 30mpg for most 356 models… city driving will be a little less, highway driving a little better. If you are talking about the 1900cc engine or a four cam Carrera, it will be a bit less in each case.
If you are referring to typical mileage you might expect to find on a 356B, it would be a wide range. Of the remaining examples, some spent most of their lives being regularly driven while others have been weekend only cars (or outright show cars). As such you will probably be able to find examples with fewer than 100k despite being 50 years old now… as well as cars that have logged a million miles; though as a mid-range guesstimate, 200-600k is probably the “normal” range.
Paul S is right.
The interesting thing to me is how good of mileage european cars used to get in the 1960s.
Getting 30 mpg was average.
With an 948 Austin, 1200 VW, or 800 Fiat, 40 to 45 mpg was possible back then.
I wish we had more cars like them now.
With some fuel injection and other advancements, we should easily be getting over 60 mpg.
But instead we have silly things like automatic transmissions, electric windows, etc., that make modern cars inferior in many way.
If the question is total miles, there is absolutely no limit.
Unless you live in the rustbelt, any car can be driven forever.
The only reason to give up on any car is rust, collision, or vanity.
As for Designer, I completely disagree.
First of all, the old bugs were neither light nor unsafe.
They were always 1800 lbs, because they were originally designed as off road military vehicles.
They constantly found ways to make them lighter, with the 71-75 Super Beetle being the lightest of all.
As for safety, there is not a vehicle safer.
The VW pan far exceeded the safety capability of any other vehicle, because it was much stiffer compared to its weight.
Old VWs have had head on collisions over 50 mph with little passenger harm, because the whole front was a huge shock absorber.
They not only actually got 32 mpg, but if they had actually tried to increase mileage, by lightening design, adding overhead cam, fuel injection, etc., it would not have been hard to double the mileage.
The proof is that in Europe, there are standard VWs that do average over 80 mpg. It is not at all hard to do.
Then there is the claim there are lots of cars currently sold get over 40 mpg, and that is not true. They hybrids are fake because they do not count potential battery costs, and on others the actual mileage is not nearly what they are rated for.
The fact cars now have AC, all power, automatic, electric windows, locks, etc., are what is wrong with them. These are not improvements or things people should actually want on a car. In fact, no rational person should want explosive airbags or ABS that can not stop nearly as fast as any good driver.
additional comment to Designer:
No, the VW was never actually intended for civilian production, and only 2 civilian prototypes were made until the British helped VW retool for civilian production in the 1950s.
The People’s car Hitler sold to the German people was totally faked, and he had no intentions of following through on.
And while it is possible for a good driver to get much more than the rated mileage, the reality most get far less.
In fact, I often got over 40 actual mpg with a VW. You said you got 32 mpg with a dual port 1600, so it should not be hard to see an 1100 would get much better mileage than that.
With Fiat 850s, it was not hard to well over 45 mpg.
You missed the whole point. Which is that in Europe NOW, they sell dozens of cars that combine the technology of the 60s with current developments, and rountinely get over 80 mpg. My complaint is that we are not allowed access to these superior mileage cars in this country, and that is criminal. We need to change the DEQ laws to measure total pollution per minute, and not just parts per million. And we need to stop trying to build armored cars that actually are much more deadly.
I just want to comment on the sentiment expressed by: “Why did we used to do so much better on gas mileage?”
I had a 1970 (air-cooled, for those too young to know) original VW Beetle. It had a carburetor (predated fuel injection). The very best It ever recorded was 33 mpg on the highway — driving at optimum speed, windows closed, no a/c on the vehicle (none available from the factory).
That 2 door VW weighed about 1,750 pounds. It was heavy compared to early 60s VWs which were more like 1,300 to 1,500 pounds. It had no radiator, coolant, coolant hoses, water pump, etc, It had no a/c, power windows, central locking, air bags, rear seat head rests, etc., etc., etc. It was very, very simple and dangerous as hell in a high speed accident or slide-off. It only had 57 HP, but considering its weight, it managed.
Later I owned a 2 door 1982 VW Scirocco. Same size engine as the original Beetle, but water cooled and fuel-injected. The car weighed about 1,900 pounds, including a/c (still no air bags). At 82 mph, with the a/c turned on, it got 42 mpg, thanks primarily to fuel injection and a five speed manual rather than four speed manual transmission. Its 74 HP felt like more.
I bought my son a new 4 door 2006 Honda Civic, complete with: automatic transmission, a/c, power windows and central locking. it has air bags everywhere, rear seat head rests, seat belt pre-tensioners, etc. etc. etc. It weighs over 2.900 pounds — half again as much as that Scirocco, yet gets 40 + mpg on the highway. It has 140 HP to tote that load.
Who says we don’t do better than we used to? If you want fuel economy, the cars are out there. Furthermore, they’re a lot more comfortable and a hell of a lot safer than the light-weights that got such fondly-recalled “superior gas mileage.”
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While it’s true that during WWII the factory built to produce Hitler’s “Volks-Wagen” (Adolph’s specs: carry a German family – 2 adults, 3 children; achieve 100 kph [62 mph]; and cost no more than 1000 marks) was used to make military vehicles, the civilian “Beetle” was not used in war and not, in fact, produced in large numbers until the war was over and Hitler dead.
It’s difficult to find published weights. A 1967 Cabriolet (always heavier than the coupe) weighed 1,852 pounds.
That’s clearly LESS than my 1970 “Sunroof Sedan.” I had a friend with a 1960 (approx.) sedan that he told me weighed “1,400 to 1,500 pounds.”
The highway rating for my son’s 2006 Honda Civic is 40 mpg. He has MEASURED it at between 41 and 42 mpg (And my son doesn’t drive for economy). In fact, my Porsche’s MEASURED mileage also BEATS its highway rating.
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Fuel economy would be around 30mpg for most 356 models… city driving will be a little less, highway driving a little better. If you are talking about the 1900cc engine or a four cam Carrera, it will be a bit less in each case.
If you are referring to typical mileage you might expect to find on a 356B, it would be a wide range. Of the remaining examples, some spent most of their lives being regularly driven while others have been weekend only cars (or outright show cars). As such you will probably be able to find examples with fewer than 100k despite being 50 years old now… as well as cars that have logged a million miles; though as a mid-range guesstimate, 200-600k is probably the “normal” range.
Paul S is right.
The interesting thing to me is how good of mileage european cars used to get in the 1960s.
Getting 30 mpg was average.
With an 948 Austin, 1200 VW, or 800 Fiat, 40 to 45 mpg was possible back then.
I wish we had more cars like them now.
With some fuel injection and other advancements, we should easily be getting over 60 mpg.
But instead we have silly things like automatic transmissions, electric windows, etc., that make modern cars inferior in many way.
If the question is total miles, there is absolutely no limit.
Unless you live in the rustbelt, any car can be driven forever.
The only reason to give up on any car is rust, collision, or vanity.
As for Designer, I completely disagree.
First of all, the old bugs were neither light nor unsafe.
They were always 1800 lbs, because they were originally designed as off road military vehicles.
They constantly found ways to make them lighter, with the 71-75 Super Beetle being the lightest of all.
As for safety, there is not a vehicle safer.
The VW pan far exceeded the safety capability of any other vehicle, because it was much stiffer compared to its weight.
Old VWs have had head on collisions over 50 mph with little passenger harm, because the whole front was a huge shock absorber.
They not only actually got 32 mpg, but if they had actually tried to increase mileage, by lightening design, adding overhead cam, fuel injection, etc., it would not have been hard to double the mileage.
The proof is that in Europe, there are standard VWs that do average over 80 mpg. It is not at all hard to do.
Then there is the claim there are lots of cars currently sold get over 40 mpg, and that is not true. They hybrids are fake because they do not count potential battery costs, and on others the actual mileage is not nearly what they are rated for.
The fact cars now have AC, all power, automatic, electric windows, locks, etc., are what is wrong with them. These are not improvements or things people should actually want on a car. In fact, no rational person should want explosive airbags or ABS that can not stop nearly as fast as any good driver.
additional comment to Designer:
No, the VW was never actually intended for civilian production, and only 2 civilian prototypes were made until the British helped VW retool for civilian production in the 1950s.
The People’s car Hitler sold to the German people was totally faked, and he had no intentions of following through on.
And while it is possible for a good driver to get much more than the rated mileage, the reality most get far less.
In fact, I often got over 40 actual mpg with a VW. You said you got 32 mpg with a dual port 1600, so it should not be hard to see an 1100 would get much better mileage than that.
With Fiat 850s, it was not hard to well over 45 mpg.
You missed the whole point. Which is that in Europe NOW, they sell dozens of cars that combine the technology of the 60s with current developments, and rountinely get over 80 mpg. My complaint is that we are not allowed access to these superior mileage cars in this country, and that is criminal. We need to change the DEQ laws to measure total pollution per minute, and not just parts per million. And we need to stop trying to build armored cars that actually are much more deadly.
I just want to comment on the sentiment expressed by: “Why did we used to do so much better on gas mileage?”
I had a 1970 (air-cooled, for those too young to know) original VW Beetle. It had a carburetor (predated fuel injection). The very best It ever recorded was 33 mpg on the highway — driving at optimum speed, windows closed, no a/c on the vehicle (none available from the factory).
That 2 door VW weighed about 1,750 pounds. It was heavy compared to early 60s VWs which were more like 1,300 to 1,500 pounds. It had no radiator, coolant, coolant hoses, water pump, etc, It had no a/c, power windows, central locking, air bags, rear seat head rests, etc., etc., etc. It was very, very simple and dangerous as hell in a high speed accident or slide-off. It only had 57 HP, but considering its weight, it managed.
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